John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. I fail to see where the legalism is in any of my comments. Mike no one is saying that a pastor should be poor. [1] He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. So it would be a bit premature to throw them on a bonfire another example of your sly prose which was unwarranted. Elevation Church were accused of getting volunteers to come forward during the spontaneous baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. From an economic standpoint, thats a no brainer. You had already given your opinion about it before you had read it so you are being consistent at least. More here: https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Thanks very helpfulalthough I think that the money and the me focus are a key part of the false teaching. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. I did read your comments. So I was pleased to see the topic addressed here, particularly as there is another story breaking about Mr Furtick in North Carolina even as I write this. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. The prominence of the pastor on the website, the Stephen Furtick ministries page, the common self-referrals and endless self-promotion of books/resources etc. The entire message was based around how God can meet all MY needs. I know of individuals who actually talk openly about having a church!!! Why do you think that that was disgraceful etc but G Whites bracketing of Furtick with Chandler was not? Fox News Flash top headlines are here. It is the Bible watered down by a mixture of Waltonesque homespun wisdom, pop psychology, stand up comedy and an unhealthy doze of how to missiology. Cho was told by MacArthur to "forget it" when he called on the elders to "do justice. If your love is put off by answers you dont like, then like the BeeJees I need to ask how deep is your love?! What am I gonna do? I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. Name me one church that has handled everything well. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. So I hoped and prayed that this would not become another crash and burn mega church story. all Christians are the same etc. It was not an accusation, nor an attack. When asked why he marketed his book (or to be more accurate why the church paid thousands to market his book), he was unapologetic, if he didnt believe the message he wouldnt market it. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? You then accused me of muddying the waters by dropping in a bit of juicy gossip. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. You are just exporting your own. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. One such person who has joined the ranks of GTY is Cameron Buettel, author . Thanks for this. This is another attempt to pick a fight with another straw man. He spoke for an hour without notes and held his audience completely in the palm of his hand he is a brilliant orator using all the tricks of the trade. "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. Whites equation of Chandler with Furtick being one such example, your comparison of Matt Chandler with Scott McKenna being another. I stated that the danger comes from false teachers AND from those who allow the word of God to be compromised by turning a blind eye. And I wasnt using any of the debating society tricks of tu quoque and ad hominem in anything that I said. The Church of England's compromise on same-sex relationships is disastrous for everyone. If you want an alternative from another megachurch pastor, then listen to this from Matt Chandler preached at Elevation (I think it was not actually posted at the time because it upset people but I may be wrong). Very pleased with the approval of an $800,000 settlement and total win for my clients, @johnmacarthur and @GraceComChurch, on behalf of @ThomasMoreSoc. And if you want to learn of the dangers of this movement I would recommend that you read The New Calvinists: Changing The Gospel by E S Williams. He argued at the time that such mandates violated constitutionally protected religious liberties. http://religionnews.com/2016/05/11/why-pastor-steven-furtick-skirts-scandalous-questions/. The great thing about the Village Church is that they recognised that they had not handled it well and apologised. Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. He is a ministry collaborator with TDJakes health and wealth and modalist ministry, he collaborates with Joel Osteens humanistic ministry and with Brian Hustons new wave prophecy ministry. So Mike Riccardi is going to be answering the call," a Grace Community Church elder announced on Sunday, according to Christian website Protestia. David, you try very hard to always get the last word and I knew that the question you asked was loaded. John MacArthur - Jr. Church and Steven Furtick Jamie A 154 subscribers Subscribe 214K views 7 years ago Fun little clips I put together to give an example of what Dr. MacArthur was speaking on.. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? Sadly The Lord will deal with him, and it will be very painful for him and his family. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. I am intrigued as to why you think my challenge to the claim is disgraceful and totally unwarranted, but you dont think the claim itself is? Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? Your other remarks continue to be provocative, misleading and snide and I wont grace them with a reply, other than to say that I have no need to retract any of my remarks, for the reasons already explained to you. PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR DEFIES CALIFORNIA'S COVID RESTRICTION AGAINST INDOOR SERVICES, The statement continued, "He saw a doctor on Sunday afternoon and he is in good health, and just needs rest from a busy holiday week. Your email address will not be published. The news clip above catalogues the controversy about his $1.8 million new build house caused. lq mk Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. If you were not speaking about Chandler then why write it here? . Some are good, some are bad. Furtick preaches a different gospel. Because Elevation Church certainly dont want to. To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. The point I made about Matt Chandler himself is that it took the pressure from outside his church to galvanise him into doing something. If he has lots of money good for him, if he has a nice home- good for him. Market data provided by Factset. We are pleased to report that he is doing well," Grace Community Church wrote Monday on their website. G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? [2] He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in Santa Clarita and The Master's Seminary. When searching for churches outside of the United States, please search using city, country. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. Its a nasty wee trick to try and shut someone up by complaining that they always try and have the last word if they reply then of course you are proved right and can feel self-justified. Join us on Sundays for a full day of teaching, preaching, music, and fellowship. JOHN: When you go out the door, there's one for each of you. And also trying to get to know what God says in His Word and please stop shouting at those you know nothing about. Excellent post! He concludes that he is far from the principles of the reformed faith in many ways and explains why he thinks that. [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. Excellent post David. I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? (Ezek. I am happy though if you wish to withdraw your initial comments. http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0 What if Joh MacArthur preached at Steven Furtick's church?Christian Music is Destroying Millions?great worship and sound doctrine.What's wrong with Elevation. Then there is the whole question of what the church is about. If that is the last word then so be it. Firstly in the teaching. 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. I have nothing to be jealous of as regards Furtick. Its only your perception and I would deny it. How easily the lure of money and outward success can lead a good man astray, and sadly take with him many people. Purpose doesnt have a parking spot is no substitute for many are the plans in a mans heart but it is the Lords purpose that prevails. I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. When people are being led astray genuine believers must stand up challenge and expose. This submission to Jesus as Lord when converting to faith in Jesus Christ became known to Arminians as the Lordship salvation controversy in the 1980s. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. But I find it astonishing that you cite it here in a massive church (and smaller churches) there are bound to be people who are sex abusers and the church will not always handle that well. MacArthur denied the charge, as attested on two tapes recorded in 1989 when he was asked to reason together with the IFCA man.[35], MacArthur advocates Young Earth creationism in his book The Battle For the Beginning (2001), and in his sermons. I dont agree that its always wrong to mock (otherwise Elijah, Paul and Jesus were wrong), and indeed sometimes mockery has its place. Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. Oh and sorry about the ironic and sarky remark about being mature enough for you! I Gotta Reply This Is So Pathetic, First Of All As A Leader In Christ Steven Furtrick Is A Good Pastor And If You Really Heard His Message ,He Is A Man Of God And He Only Speaks The Truth You That Are Workers Of Iniquity Be Sure That Youre Sins Will Find You Out Second Of All How In The Hell You Gonna Sit Here And Judge A Man Of God ..I Believe God Called This Man To Build His ( God) House And Get The population Ready For Whats About To ComeAnd Its Far More Then Noah And A Flood.If There Were Many Pastors Like Steven Furtrick In This World There Wouldnt Be So Much Hate And Crime And Killing Drugs Etc News People Why Dont You Start Digging In The People That Are Really committing crimes Stop Digging In Something You Know Nothing About Cause If You Really Knew How God Works . L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. Im afraid that you are talking about something you do not really know about and picking on one particular church why? Why is that disgraceful and totally unwarranted? 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. Didnt appreciate the joking about drug use. "[26] He has a complementarian view on gender roles and considers that the Bible forbids women to preach to men or to exercise authority over men in churches, and he believes that the Biblical roles of elder and pastor are restricted to men. And whilst there are some who have a tremendously positive influence, I suspect that the majority do more harm than good. For what its worth, I fully support your stand in almost everything else. If theyre charities (and I suspect many of them will be) then theyre monitored by OSCR, and will have to submit yearly, independently audited, accounts. To this end he cites the biblical passage of 1 Timothy 2:11-12. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. Its always good to get correction! MacArthur responded "unqualified" and proceeded to argue that Furtick, pastor of Elevation Church, was not qualified, by Biblical standards, to be a pastor. Truth in love. Could you tell me the difference? Weve been getting those kind of signals for the last number of weeks., A year ago, when county officials were trying for the fourth time to obtain a court order to shutter Grace Community Church, MacArthurissued his own declaration against the county, which he argued was impeding on his congregations free exercise of religion by criminalizing activity directly required by our faith. He went on to state the church has moral and religious obligations to continue allowing our congregants to gather in our sanctuary to worship the Lord., The utter unnecessary deprivation of all our people by completely shutting down the mutual love and care that sustains our people in all the exigencies, pressures, and challenges of life was cruel, he said. This British website sets out clearly the Biblical gospel, compared to the ME gospel, in the context of evangelism. Uh, John MacArthur Is Urging His Church to Stop Supporting Religious Freedom . Matt Chandler is an excellent example of how the gospel should be preached I cant comment on his lifestyle because I dont know it do you? I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. (I always smile when you deploy the tu quoque argument and even, on this occasion, ego quoque In John MacArthur's book, "The Truth War" he writes that " Churches today are filled with people like that. 4) Yes my point about the megachurches was that they were not per se bad. Cool name, cool Church I knew that it was one of the fastest growing mega churches in the USA, and had heard a little of its pastor, the dynamic Stephen Furtick. Why do you think I should apologise for my Amazon remarks (which were simply that I could only find it on my Amazon feed at 30)? The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfoO6hMSLc. No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. Haters will hate This is a classic example of 1 Timothy 5:13 I kind of dreaded this type of response. Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? I can write the e-mails. As I trust that you would not deliberately bear false witness against me, can I ask that, in future, you read any comment very carefully before making such serious accusations? [10], While at Bob Jones University in South Carolina, MacArthurs father recruited him to the Voice of Calvary singing quartet, often broadcast on Christian radio in Southern California. Each person will answer to God for themselves. Dear David, (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Fox News Flash top headlines for January 3. I know the drill. Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. Pastor John MacArthur on Sunday commended GraceLife Church in Alberta, Canada, which is meeting in secret after the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) barricaded their building behind three layers of chain link fence. Legal Statement. [18] He believes that scripture is inerrant and infallible because it is "the Word of God" and that God cannot lie. Your endorsement of Williams book which I have now read is indicative of that. New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. When you are ready argue about what is being said here, not what is not being said. This is what I mean by legalism in my original post. So issuing a challenge to either support them or decry them is meaningless. I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. The one I mentioned is a paperback and cost 3.50. Whatever its founding intentions, we conclude that the Proclamation Trust is now a compromised organisation committed to the flawed teachings and practices of New Calvinism. Regards. Opinion Page Brooks and David Bumgardner As a southern Christian (in North Carolina), Im truly thankful you posted one of Alistair Beggs videos to show the contrast between Truth presented with integrity and intellegence, and the slick mass market Charlotte speed preaching thats become hip with mega church crowds. John MacArthur, senior pastor of Grace Community Church in Los Angeles and founder of his ministry Grace to You, was one of the reported 4,000 pastors who preached last Sunday against. MacArthur was also given an honorary degree from Talbot Theological Seminary (Doctor of Divinity, 1977) and from Grace Graduate School (1976). Because your worth it! LOL! Use the Church Finder to locate churches with TMS alumni around the world. Given that is neither what I wrote, nor what I think. As so often in the church, sex, money and power are the real problems for many because they are the idols of our hearts. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Googling information about his ministry will provide a number of discussions of his content. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. I surrendered to a calling of God. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. And lets talk about finance. Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. Their influence has been growing and recently . | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. point taken). This is a really long post that deals almost exclusively, unfortunately, with secondary issues (church size, communications gifts, me focus, salary, wealth, size of house, and more) and thereby obscures the central and clarifying point of Furticks ministry. 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